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    Thread: 5 channel Multichip Panel Group Buy

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      5 channel Multichip Panel Group Buy

      What drew me to the multichip panel that its point source light like.
      No large bulky array of 30 plus LEDs to individually wire up. One supply
      and done. Now, we have a chance to move on a 5 channle multichip design.
      Each of the five legs can be powered independently! There is also added
      flexibility to use fewer drivers by shorting different legs together. Short them
      all together and use one driver!

      I approached ac-rc, about doing a custom five channel multichip. They told
      me if I can generate support for at least 50 pcs, we'd get 30% off each panel
      sold. 35% off for 100pcs. For 100pcs, we'd also get an addtional color
      configuration option.

      Color configurations:

      Option A: Dream Ratio
      1) 20 x 10000K
      2) 20 x 455nm (blue, beneficial to chlorophyll C)
      3) 10 x 420nm, 10 x 430nm (UV range)
      4) 20 x 445nm (blue, beneficial to chlorophyll C)
      5) 20 x 15000K

      Option B: (This option is only available if we reach 100pcs)
      1) 20 x 10000K
      2) 10 x 420nm, 10 x 445nm (blue:beneficial to chlorophyll C; UV)
      3) 20 x 16000K
      4) 10 x 430nm, 10 x 445nm (blue:beneficial to chlorophyll C;UV)
      5) 20 x 10000K

      If you need more detail about how the colors where selected, please check out this
      thread on RC. The people there were my source of inspiration:
      http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2128756

      The maximum forward voltage/current for each leg (10 chips in series x 2 parallel)
      is 36V 1400mA.

      Pricing:
      <=50 pcs:$174.40. Less 30% discount is $122.80.
      >=100 pcs:$174.40. Less 35% discount is $113.36.
      (Price includes shipping charge. Shipped directly to you)

      Let me know if you're seriously interested and I'll put you on the group buy list.

      Keep in mind, this if for the DIY'er.
      For a basic multichip panel build you'll need three addtional items:
      1)A heatsink efficient enough to dissipate the heat generated by the panel.
      2)Power Supply. Cords, plugs...
      3)Very good thermal grease or thermal adhesive to ensure good solid thermally effective contact between the
      multichip panel and the heatsink.

      Things to keep in mind for heat managemnet:
      1) Recommend >=3.0W/m-k thermal grease and proper heatsinking in order to prevent overheating.
      2) Ideally, the LED panel must be fastened down with 4 screws so that it will be flush and tight against the heatsink for smooth heat conduction.
      3) The maximum forward voltage/current for each leg(10 chips in series x 2 parallel) is 36V 1400mA. Personally, I'd stay below 1100ma per leg.
      That's still (5.5A x 36V) = 198W of total power. Very powerful.

      This is my DIY heatsink solution for a rimless tank. I used an Arctic Cooling Accelero L2 Plus
      mounted to a Kessil Gooseneck. Looks pretty good, too. The L2 plus is rated up 130W (for 50W panel).
      Arctic Cooling sells another low profile cooler rated for 200W (for 100W panel).
      https://picasaweb.google.com/1030484...eat=directlink
      The benefit of the gooseneck is it's light, flexible and portable. You can easily move it into
      almost any practical position you want. It's not fixed.

      More info here in the sdreefs DIY section: http://www.sandiegoreefs.com/forums/...chip-LED-build

      On the horizon, ac-rc will be offering these heatsink solutions:
      https://picasaweb.google.com/1030484...eat=directlink

      According to AC-RC, no update on the pendant coolers. (Updated: 8/26/2012)



      The 220W coolers below are about ready. AC-RC is waiting for the LED adapter to arrive. Should be next week. (Updated: 8/26/2012)




      The group will also be provided with spectral analysis on 3 random samples from the lot.

      PM me if you're interested. Thanks!

      Ron
      Last edited by ronreef; 11-27-2012 at 01:01 PM. Reason: added photos

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      Ron,

      Like I said on RC I am down for 3 chips. I will see who else may be interested.

      Sonny

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      The LED chip requires good heat dissipation. As you can see from some of the testing ac-rc has done, this heatsink does the job well with a 100 led multichip panel running at 34.2V * 6.51A = 222.6W.
      The important number is 69C. You really want to keep the multichip backing plate temp under 70C. Note: Ambient Temp = 24C

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      Last edited by ronreef; 08-10-2012 at 08:50 AM.

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      Hi Ron

      I confirm that I m down for 3 chips. If > 100 2 option 1 - 1 option 1 otherwise 3 option 1

      Sincerely Lasse
      Last edited by Lasse; 08-10-2012 at 10:36 AM.

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      Im in for 2x option A (Dream Chip)!
      Last edited by Addde; 08-12-2012 at 07:37 AM.

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      I'm up for 2x option A (dream chip) !!

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      Put me down for 3 of option A for now.

      Brian (tomservo @ RC)

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      As of this moment, we are at a tentative 31 commitments. Almost there.

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      Was doing some searching last night and found an interesting thread, this guy got a 20000k 100w emitter and compares it directly to a radium 14000k, also he has shots of the 100w + 2 10w blues. I'll admit they are from a different vendor than our chips, but it is the best example I have seen yet of the color of a 20000k, for those who are worried it will be too blue with the 10000k and 14000k chips. Also, the reds yellows and greens just blow away the radium IMO.

      http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=multichip
      Last edited by tentacles; 08-11-2012 at 08:13 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tentacles View Post
      Was doing some searching last night and found an interesting thread, this guy got a 20000k 100w emitter and compares it directly to a radium 14000k, also he has shots of the 100w + 2 10w blues. I'll admit they are from a different vendor than our chips, but it is the best example I have seen yet of the color of a 20000k, for those who are worried it will be too blue with the 10000k and 14000k chips. Also, the reds yellows and greens just blow away the radium IMO.

      http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=multichip
      And I have try to say this for at least a fortnight It is impossible to compare K from MH and K from LED. The technology is different and the K scale is a "fruit" value. It say a figure but not if it is banans, oranges, combinations of these or other. But - as I said before - in my eyes 20 000K has look more yellow than 16 000. Probably because its have more green wavelenghts.

      Sincerely Lasse

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      I'm in for option 1, I have sent you a Pm Ronreef

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lasse View Post
      And I have try to say this for at least a fortnight It is impossible to compare K from MH and K from LED. The technology is different and the K scale is a "fruit" value. It say a figure but not if it is banans, oranges, combinations of these or other. But - as I said before - in my eyes 20 000K has look more yellow than 16 000. Probably because its have more green wavelenghts.
      This is not entirely true. If the color temperature of a light is given in degrees kelvin, it makes no difference at all what the source of that light is. 14,000k is the same whether it is a MH lamp, T-5 lamp, or LED's. The problem we all run into is that the manufacturers measure this in different ways under different conditions. Also, the amount of voltage applied to the different colors of LED's in one fixture or in this case one set of emitters, will change the color temperature as well. Just as the color temperature of a MH lamp will change as it ages.

      In following this thread along with the accompanying thread on RC, it is apparent that the goal was to come up with a couple different choices based on what these LED specs seem to be. Ultimately anyone buying these will be making adjustments to the color temperature to suit their taste and the apparent growth and happiness of their corals. I am very curiously waiting to see how all of the different people in this buy will be using their new purchase. It should be interesting to see how the different assemblies turn out with so many people involved. I can't wait to see it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lunka82 View Post
      I'm in for option 1, I have sent you a Pm Ronreef
      Lunka, I did not receive your PM. Did you email me?

      Ron

      Correction... Lunka has been identified. Nevermind.
      Last edited by ronreef; 08-11-2012 at 09:31 PM. Reason: Lunka identified.

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      FYI: Multi-Conductor Connectors:

      Here's a place to buy multi-conductor connectors. I chose my connectors using this site:
      http://www.switchcraft.com/Category.aspx?Parent=901

      Bought them through this site:
      http://www.electroshield.com/cart-filter.php?catid=13

      Ron
      Last edited by ronreef; 08-11-2012 at 01:02 PM.

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      FYI: Meanwell LED Driver:

      Meanwell is a very popular and reliable LED constant current power supply.
      Carefully choose your supply based on your forward voltage and forward current needs:
      http://www.meanwell.com/product/led/...FeVnQgod9hEAUQ

      Ron
      Last edited by ronreef; 08-11-2012 at 01:02 PM.

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