The post is clear, examples were given. Ace simply copied the 55x2 fixture collaterals. It is NOT his term. He did not make it up. It is NOT his fixture. He does NOT “use” the term. Nobody disputes that he wrote the word. He did not “use” the term to be critical of SDR Sellers personally.
HE CERTAINLY DID REFER TO THE LIGHTS HE WAS PROMOTING ON THIS THREAD AS SOLVING ISSUES THAT HE AND OTHERS (FOCUS GROPUS?) PERCEIVED. EVEN IF HE DID NOT COME UP WITH THE TERM "3RD GENERATION", HE PUT IT IN HIS POSTING, SO HE MOST DEFINITELY "USED" IT. IN CASE YOU DISAGREE, I REFER YOU TO CALIFORNIA STATUTORY AND COMMON LAW FOR DEFAMATION AND SLANDER, WHICH SAY THAT IF YOU PUBLISH A STATEMENT, AND USE IT TO CRITIQUE OTHERS/OTHER WORKS, YOU ADOPT THOSE TERMS AS YOUR OWN AND ARE SUBJECT TO SCRUTINY AS SUCH. ADMITTEDLY, THIS IS A FORUM WHERE ARE DISCUSSING AN AQUARIUM LIGHT AND NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT SLANDER OR DEFAMATION, BUT IT IS A GOOD STANDARD TO FOLLOW...
YOU ARE VERY FOCUSED ON ACE NOT COINING THE TERM "GEN3". IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE CAME UP WITH THE TERM - IT IS GROSSLY IRRELEVANT. WHAT MATTERS IS HOW HE USED IT...AND HE USED IT IN A CRITIQUE OF PRIOR LED PENDANTS, WHICH HE REFERRED TO AS "GEN1" AND "GEN2". LOOKING AT MY INITIAL POST (WHERE THIS DISCUSSION BEGAN BETWEEN US), I SAID THAT BY THE VERY NATURE OF SAYING "GEN3" AND DISCUSSING "GEN3" IN RELATION TO "GEN1" AND "GEN2", IT IS INHERENT (OR IMPLIED, TAKE YOUR PICK) THAT HE IS SAYING THAT GEN3 IS SUPERIOR, IN WHOLE OR PART, TO PREVIOUS GENERATIONS. SO IF HE USED THE TERM "GEN3" AFTER HE READ IT ON A FORTUNE FROM A COOKIE, IT WOULDN'T MATTER - IT IS NOT WHERE THE TERM WAS DISCOVERED (OR CONCEIVED, IF NOVEL [NEW]), IT IS HOW IT WAS USED IN HIS POSTING, WHICH I SEE AS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS.
As we have posted before, part of the confusion is that it appears Ace is a Sponsor of a Group Buy and his critic is an Importer and Seller. If Ace imported the same 112/119 light, sold the light as a retailer, and HE assigned (“used”) or branded it Gen3 to make a competitive comparison to other Gen1 lights sold on SDR, he would have a tough time.
I HAVE NO SUCH CONFUSION. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME, AND WAS NEVER RAISED IN MY POSTS.
BUT WHEN ACE SAYS THAT THE 3RD GENERATION CURES THE PROBLEMS THAT *HE* PERCEIVES, HE IS ABSOLUTELY USING THE TERM 3RD GENERATION TO DENOTE THAT THE 3RD GENERATION IS BETTER THAN PRIOR GENERATIONS. YOU CANNOT GET AROUND THAT FACT. IT IS CLEAR IN HIS FIRST POST. HE MADE IT A COMPETITIVE COMPARISON AT THAT POINT. ACE WAS SMART ENOUGH NOT TO MENTION ANY OF THE *1ST* OR *2ND* GENERATION LIGHTS SOLD ON SDREEFS (BY THE NAMES OF THE SELLERS) THAT HE REFERRED TO.
The critic wrote,
“And did you make up the GEN3 because I have asked a couple of suppliers and there is no GenX awareness.”
No, he did NOT make up the GEN3, and there is very clearly GenX awareness. The rather pervasive 112x1, and 119x1 fixtures (outlined in Nicks SDR Aug 2010 thread for example) are available from dozens of sources and are very clearly and commonly referred to as Gen1. The term, Gen1, is obviously not used to be critical of the same Gen1s sold on SDR.
AGAIN, HE DIDN'T REFER TO THOSE WHO SOLD THOSE FIXTURES, BUT HE WAS CRITICAL OF THOSE FIXTURES IMPLICITLY (AND NOT SO SUBTLETY) BY STATING THAT THE 2W BULB IS SUPERIOR TO THE 1W AND THE 3W, AMONG OTHER CRITIQUES AND COMPARISONS. HE WAS CRITICAL OF THE LEDS FROM SDREEFS THAT HE DESCRIBED AS GEN1 AND GEN2 - IT IS RIGHT THERE IN HIS POST.
The term, Gen3, is used by the maker of the 55x2 fixture, just like Apple uses 3G and 4G, and Reefkoi uses 1G, 2G, and 3G, and Maxspect, and so on, and so on. The 55x2 maker also offered essentially the same 112x1 and 119x1 fixtures which THEY also called Gen1. Subsequent improvements to the base model included optics and a wider variety of blues resulting in Gen2. Their Gen3 uses 2-watt Epistar LEDs, offers circuit protection diodes, etc. This maker no longer offers the 1-watt fixtures because of a variety of problems they make public. We still are puzzled why some makers and sellers of LED fixtures are unwilling to disclose the manufacturer and model of their LED diodes. This seems to be pertinent, if not crucial information to buyers.
AGAIN, IF HE USES THE TERM AND USES IT TO BE CRITICAL OF PRIOR UNITS, HE IS ADOPTING THE TERM...."THIS IS WHAT MAKES 3RD GENERATION SO MUCH BETTER"...WAS THIS CUT AND PASTED FROM THE MANUFACTURER? NO - IT IS CLEAR THIS IS ACE'S OPINION. HE STATED IT. HE CONFIRMS THIS IN SUBSEQUENT POSTS. HE MAY NOT HAVE 'COINED' THE PHRASE, BUT HE IS USING IT TO CRITIQUE OTHER FIXTURES/TECHNOLOGIES - HE'S ON THE HOOK FOR USING THE TERM, REGARDLESS OF ITS ORIGIN.
The term Genx is widely used in this industry and many others. For example,
http://reefkoi.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20 sells the same 119x1 fixture which they call Gen1. They also use the term Gen3. At a glance, Ace’s Gen3 appears to be more value for less money than reefkoi’s Gen3.
What would you want Ace to call them? It is reefkoi’s term, not Ace’s. If Ace were to sponsor a Group Buy for the Reefkoi Gen1 lights, he would be hard-pressed to refer to them as Gen3. If Ace were to sponsor a Group Buy of reefkoi’s Gen2 light, and say it was “better” than Gen1s sold on SDR, at least Reefkoi would be in agreement. No one would say Ace “used” the term Gen2 to impune SDR Gen1 lights. You can argue, if you want to, that the Reefkoi Gen2 lights are in fact inferior to their Gen1 lights which are the same lights sold on SDR.
I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH HIM CALLING THEM GEN3. HE JUST NEEDS TO OWN UP TO THE FACT THAT HIS POST IS CRITICAL OF PRIOR LED FIXTURES SOLD ON SDREEFS (I.E. GEN1 AND GEN2). I BELIEVE THAT HIS POSTS DO OWN UP TO THAT FACT. I JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY YOU CAN'T DO THE SAME AND, RATHER, CHOOSE TO DEFEND AN UNTENABLE AND CONTRADICTORY POSITION TO THE PERSON/THREAD THAT YOU APPARENTLY ARE TRYING TO DEFEND. I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH ACE. IT IS YOUR POSTS THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
We note also that it was 3 or more days after Ace’s post and a bump and many views before anyone said anything. Lastly, we appreciate your post in spite of the tone, language and insults. We simply disagree that the term, Gen3, was intended to “bash” an SDR Seller.
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Originally Posted by SoCalBoo
and who cares what I really think 
