Go Back To The Way It Was :(

[Fishaholic]

If you think this site sucks or isn't what you would have designed then respectfully leave a comment or take a hike.

well put

[malachai629]

Oh goody! I'll accept that nomination - VP of drinking, is it??

[Sam Maghsoodloo]

people who are complaining, get a life. Reefing is a hobby to begin with, and this is just a forum about the hobby; how important can sdreefs be in your lives? Enough to complain and offend people? And what are you even talking about anyways, closing threads? Are you serious? C'mon now, who cares?

[swissfish]

Looks like we had to many holidays in a row and people got bored cleanign the tanks and started some drama.

[mazilla]

it's called freedom of speech for the thick skulled who cant seem to grasp the concept. people are allowed to piss and moan all day long in this country. if you dont like it, move.


"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind." ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

[RussM]

it's called freedom of speech for the thick skulled who cant seem to grasp the concept. people are allowed to piss and moan all day long in this country. if you dont like it, move.

The issue IMO is not what is said, but how it's said. "Freedom of speech" is a sad excuse for a lack of civility.

[mazilla]

The issue IMO is not what is said, but how it's said. "Freedom of speech" is a sad excuse for a lack of civility.

excellent, im glad you are able to express that opinion freely. All we ask is that the same freedoms be applied to all members of this forum at all times, as is guaranteed by US law.

[swissfish]

it's called freedom of speech for the thick skulled who cant seem to grasp the concept. people are allowed to piss and moan all day long in this country. if you dont like it, move.

People forget the manners and call it freedom of speach. But people who have no common sense can't grasp that concept.

BTW freedom of speech doesen't apply on privat boards. The owner/administrator can censor whatever they want.

[mazilla]

People forget the manners and call it freedom of speach. But people who have no common sense can't grasp that concept.

BTW freedom of speech doesen't apply on privat boards. The owner/administrator can censor whatever they want.

manners or not, people are allowed to say whatever they want, as long as it is not slanderous, or a direct threat of violence.the fact that people have that right(even to the chagrin of others) makes this a great place to live. on a side note: There is also no set definition if what is considered to be "porn" in regards to the recent "drama" stirred up.the only guidline set is that a movie is more likely to be able to be called "porn". other than that, i imagine the avitar is considered art by the user. i find it funny Bruno, when it's not what the majority likes, it's considered "drama".this mob mentality is dangerous, and annoying.

as far as "private baords" (which this is not) they have plenty of first amendment watch groups set up to specifically target those who try to break the law. freedom of speech cannot be stopped at the door, no matter who the owner is. as long as it rests on American soil, the first amendment is guaranteed.

[swissfish]

Look Maz, I like that everybody can state an opinion on here in SDreefs. I just has to be civil and some common sense has to be used to state it. We have minors on this board too, think of them and their parents too when you see naked lady's.
Maybe the concept of what is offensive or not is explained easier with this example:
Just imagine if what is posted on the boards here, would be said at work to your Boss or Customer, would this give you a promotion or would it bite you in the behind.

[mazilla]

Bruno, you dont have to explain any of the reasoning behind your opinion. i completely understand where your coming from and you have a valid opinion, as does every person with a voice, a pen, or smoke signals if need be.

The fact of the matter is, just because it doesnt feel right to you, does not make it bad. This old world way of thinking has to go. there will always be access to images far worse than that of that avitar,who can determine what is considered offensive? the supreme court cant, but i guess they should just bring on the staff of sdreefs to clear that one up. stepping on the rights of others to satisfy the opinion that some child could see that non-offensive image is foolish. I do think of the "children" (if you can call a 13 year old a child!) i also cant help but think why there would be any children on this site in the first place, i know i couldnt afford a tank at 13. hell, i still cant afford my tank today. so again, the rights of the majority are being sacrificed for the minority, even if it were the other way around it would be wrong. nobodies rights should be infringed upon based on your or any others opinion.

We cannot get in the habit of censoring, closing posts, and even banning members over simple matters of dis-agreement in what is to be considered "polite" or "proper".


p.s. i dont like the avitar at all, i think it is a little raunchy for this site, but i respect his freedom of expression and because of this my hands are tied. i would rather suffer by looking at it, than not be allowed to.

where i came from, it's proper for me to physically harm those who offend or hurt me. in fact, anything less would result in the possability in making my situation worse. This was the truth in my life, as concrete as your belief in what is or is not appropriate to be viewed here, as concrete as the belief that jesus will come back to the christians. do i now have the power to instill my beliefs in every aspect of this board and further into your life? no, the reason is it is a violation of YOUR civil rights, as is censorship of my or any other members beliefs and opinions as long as they fall within the guidlines set within the Constitution.

if i could not speak my mind freely, as i do to my boss(i am the boss) and my customers they would not be so. life is more important than worrying about what the guy next to you thinks, i live for myself and my freedoms as a human being.

[coral diver]

BTW Its has been a long time since i read the rules and regulation of the site is there a sticky of it some where also what are the guidelines that ADMINISTRATOR and MODERATOR follows??????????

[mazilla]

lol, my post came out a bit jumbled. i moved some paragraphs and kept getting calls while editing it and sent it. im not gonna fix it, but please excuse the appearance. i think the point canstil be made out.

[Technoviking]

You want to get stupid with it Maz? Allow me...

Lets say you are free to say whatever you want here (which is not the case), and you go and use your first ammendment right to physically threaten another member of this board (). That is illegal. Can you figure out why? People who think that the first ammendment gives them free reign to say whatever they want are just plain ignorant. That ammendment only has affect when you do not infringe upon the rights of others. So if you really want to get technical, what you did awhile ago was illegal.

PS If you really want to test it, go ahead and say whatever you want, me or one of the other mods will ban you. You call your lawyer and tell him the story and see how long it is until he stops laughing .

[h20poloman]

Maz...I thought you were a premium member?

I guess I do enjoy soap operas afterall....it's like an accident, you have to stop and look.